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Black Forest Project 421 Blog is also dedicated to my Anabaptist and Reformed Baptist brothers in Christ. I understand that my Baptist friends reject infant baptism but I still love them and I know they are my brothers and sisters in Christ.

Take John MacArthur and the late R.C Sproul for example, even though they disagree on the theological issues of baptism, covenant and eschatology, they were still good friends. Please go to this blog post to see the Baptism debate between the two Christian leaders.

The friendship of John MacArthur and RC Sproul

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The two transcripts are here:

https://www.gty.org/library/articles/A360/case-for-believers-baptism-the-credo-baptist-position

https://www.gty.org/library/articles/A361/case-for-infant-baptism-the-historic-paedobaptist-position

To all my Christian friends,

Whether you support infant baptism or not, I still love you and I believe you are saved, most of all by the blood of Jesus Christ. I am for infant baptism and I know many Christians who cannot agree with it but nevertheless, I am not breaking fellowship with them. As long as they believe in Jesus Christ as King, I count them as my brothers and sisters in Christ.

Two sides of the coin:

I acknowledge that infant baptism is a very debatable issue. I love to watch Christian debates as it is good to see two sides of the coin. I personally feel that both sides of the debate have very strong points. I love to hear from both of them.

I will post quotes, article links and two videos with links to the Infant Baptist debate

BELIEVERS’ BAPTISM QUOTES:

I have never taught Anabaptism. …But the right baptism of Christ, which is preceded by teaching and oral confession of faith, I teach, and say that infant baptism is a robbery of the right baptism of Christ. - — Hubmaier, Balthasar (1526), Short apology.^[14]: 204

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“If I thought it wrong to be a Baptist, I should give it up, and become what I believed to be right… If we could find infant baptism in the word of God, we should adopt it..." -C. H. Spurgeon

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Where did the errors of the church of Rome come from? Were they all born in a day? No, they came by slow degrees. It happened thus:—I will trace but one error, against which as a denomination we always bear our protest, and I only take that as a specimen of the whole. Among the early Christians, it was the practice to baptize those who believed in Christ Jesus, by immersing them in the water in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Well, the first wrong doctrine that started up, was the idea that perhaps there was some efficacy in the water. Next it followed that when a man was dying who had never been baptized he would perhaps profess faith in Christ, and ask that he might be baptized; but as he was dying they could not lift him from his bed, they therefore adopted sprinkling as being an easier method by which they might satisfy the conscience by the application of water. That done, there was but a step to the taking of little children into the church—children, unconscious infants, who were received as being members of Christ's body; and thus infant sprinkling was adopted. The error came in by slow degrees—not all at once. It would have been too glaring for the church to receive, if it had shown its head at one time with all its horns upon it. But it entered slowly and gradually, till it came to be inducted into the church. I do not know, an error which causes the damnation of more souls than that at the present-time. There are thousands of people who firmly believe that they shall go to heaven because they were sprinkled in infancy, have been confirmed, and have taken the Sacrament. Sacramental efficacy and baptismal regeneration, all spring from the first error of infant baptism. Had they kept to the Scripture, had the church always equired faith before baptism, that error could not have sprung up. It must have died before the light of the truth, it could not have breathed, it could not have had a foothold in the Christian church. But one error must lead to another—you never need doubt that. If you tamper with one truth of Scripture, he that tempts you to meddle with one, will tempt you to tamper with another, and there will be no end to it, till, at last, you will want a new Bible, a new Testament, and a

new God. There is no telling where you will end when you have begun.

From New Park Street Pulpit, Sermon # 307, page 168.

http://www.preeminenceofchrist.org/spurgeon_on_the_error_of_infant_baptism.pdf

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In Colossians 2:12 and 1 Peter 3:21 baptism is an expression of the faith of the person being baptized. I [do] not see how an infant could properly receive this ordinance as an expression of his or her faith. – John Piper
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INFANT BAPTISM QUOTES:

It is this one Spirit who makes it possible for an infant to be regenerated . . . when that infant is brought to baptism; and it is through this one Spirit that the infant so presented is reborn. For it is not written, 'Unless a man be born again by the will of his parents' or 'by the faith of those presenting him or ministering to him,' but, 'Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit.' The water, therefore, manifesting exteriorly the sacrament of grace, and the Spirit effecting interiorly the benefit of grace, both regenerate in one Christ that man who was generated in Adam. - Augustine of Hippo

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You see how many are the benefits of baptism, and some think its heavenly grace consists only in the remission of sins, but we have enumerated ten honors [it bestows]! For this reason we baptize even infants, though they are not defiled by [personal] sins, so that there may be given to them holiness, righteousness, adoption, inheritance, brotherhood with Christ, and that they may be his [Christ's] members - Saint John Chrysostom

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The custom of Mother Church in baptizing infants is certainly not to be scorned, nor is it to be regarded in any way as superfluous, nor is it to be believed that its tradition is anything except apostolic. - Saint Augustine

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John Calvin on infant baptism

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“As far as infant baptism is concerned, it must be insisted that the sacrament should be administered only where there is a firm faith present which remembers Christ’s deed of salvation wrought for us once and for all. That can only happen in a living Christian community. To baptize infants without a Church is not only an abuse of the sacrament, it betokens a disgusting frivolity in dealing with the souls of the children themselves. For baptism can never be repeated.” - — Dietrich Bonhoeffer

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INFANT BAPTISM DEBATE VIDEOS:

The Baptism Debate James White vs Gregg Strawbridge

Alpha & Omega Ministries

Jun 24, 2015

Are we to view our children as members of the covenant? Is baptism meant to replace circumcision in the new covenant? What about those verses in scripture where everyone in the house was baptized? Wouldn't that include the children? These questions and more illustrate the long standing debate over infant vs credo baptism. On March 23rd 2015 James White and Gregg Strawbridge debated it at The Orlando Grace Church in Orlando Florida.

10:27 - Strawbridge Opening

23:23 - White Opening

35:51 - Strawbridge Rebuttal

46:18 - White Rebuttal

56:47 - Strawbridge Rebuttal

1:02:26 - White Rebuttal

1:09:37 - Strawbridge Rejoinder

1:17:00 - White Rejoinder

1:24:26 - Cross Examination - Strawbridge vs. White

1:35:00 - Cross Examination - White vs. Strawbridge

1:45:19 - Cross Examination - Strawbridge vs. White

1:55:42 - Cross Examination - White vs. Strawbridge

2:06:11 - Strawbridge Closing

2:11:37 - White Closing

2:16:50 - Audience Questions

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A Lutheran and a Baptist Discuss Infant Baptism

Truth Unites

Aug 11, 2021

Few theological issues have been more divisive in church history than baptism. Yet today many Christians avoid engaging the topic of baptism altogether, and many are unaware where the differences lie between various perspectives.

In this video Austin Suggs of Gospel Simplicity moderates a discussion between Dr. Jordan Cooper (Lutheran) and Dr. Gavin Ortlund (Baptist) on the proper subjects of baptism. This is the first of three conversations, the second of which will cover the meaning of baptism, and the third of which will be a live Q+A.

VIDEO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbR_mzcOFko&t=2022s